Retro Gaming Memories and Industry Insights with Cam Hawkins

Welcome to another episode of The Gamerheads Podcast! In this episode of Gamerheads, we welcome Cam Hawkins, the passionate Kingdom Hearts enthusiast and PR marketing manager at Apogee. Cam takes us on a journey through his unique career path, sharing tales of his Kingdom Hearts tattoos and his plans for a Legend of Heroes-themed ink. From his early days as a music major to his breakthrough moments in gaming journalism, Cam's story is one of passion and resilience.

From discussing the state of Overwatch and the potential implications of industry changes, to sharing gaming recommendations and nostalgic reflections on toys and games, this episode covers it all. Cam and our hosts Roger, Phil, and Mike explore the joys and frustrations of current gaming trends, offering insights on everything from Marvel's Midnight Suns, Hypercharge: Unboxed, and the new Fortnite season.

Whether you're a die-hard Kingdom Hearts fan, a retro gaming enthusiast, or simply passionate about the evolving world of video games, this episode promises a heartfelt and informative listening experience. Don't miss out on the stories, laughs, and expert gaming advice!

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Chapters

• 0:00 Passion for Games and Journalism
• 4:14 Navigating Opportunities in Gaming Industry
• 12:12 Kingdom Hearts Book Club Podcast
• 34:01 Regrettable Decisions and Game Collecting
• 53:13 Concerns About the Future of Overwatch
• 1:01:56 Comparing Hero Shooter Games
• 1:09:54 Midnight Suns Marvel RPG Game Review
• 1:20:48 Gaming Updates and Recommendations
• 1:32:45 Gaming Experience and New Releases
• 1:44:01 Nostalgia for Toys and Games

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

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Speaker 1: 0:55

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Speaker 6: 0:59

Hello, this is the Crypt Master and you're listening to Roger Ritchie. You're listening to Roger on the Gamer Heads podcast.

Speaker 1: 1:19

And welcome to another episode of the Gamer Heads podcast. My name is Roger. Along with me are my good friends and co-hosts. I have the CEO and president of Gamer Heads, phil the champ is here. The champ is here. Is that what you said?

Speaker 4: 1:34

Yeah, I was going to say the president is present, but it didn't quite sound as fun so I went with. The champ is here.

Speaker 1: 1:39

Okay, Well, welcome Phil. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, Uh-huh. And of course we have a good friend and co-host. We have Mike.

Speaker 3: 1:46

Are we doing wrestling quotes to start the day?

Speaker 1: 1:48

Yes.

Speaker 3: 1:48

Okay, then everybody has a price.

Speaker 1: 1:51

Oh, that's a good cut. That is a good cut, Cam. Then the pressure is on you, Of course. We have a good friend and co-host Not co -host, but a guest. This week I have Cam Hawkins, who is from a PR marketing manager at Apogee, a freelanced host and Kingdom Hearts fan Probably the biggest fan I know, right, Cam?

Speaker 5: 2:16

Yeah, yeah, I would say people online know about my love for Kingdom Hearts and the Legend of Heroes series. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:25

W? Don't you have tattoos of kingdom hearts? Don't you have it?

Speaker 5: 2:27

I do, I do have one. I do have one. Yes, yeah I'm actually getting a second tattoo next week oh yeah, related or no, it's legend heroes related oh, it is okay yeah okay a podcast exclusive well, you just decided, right now I haven't. I haven't tweeted. I haven't tweeted about it I wasn't going to until, like, I posted the picture of it. So, yeah, you got the exclusive here, oops well, cam, welcome to the show.

Speaker 1: 2:56

Before we get started, tell us about yourself, because I think your journey is an interesting one. You talk about a little bit about yourself and your, the journey that you've gotten into games uh, yeah.

Speaker 5: 3:07

So I mean, I guess the first way I would kind of uh, I've always like loved video games, you know, um, and as long as I can remember and um, I went to college initially for, uh, music education. I was a saxophonist and like I, um, I really just like didn't have anything else that was like really interested me. Like I put a lot of my uh time and effort into music in high school and so I was like, yeah, I'm gonna do music education, uh, because, again, I just didn't really feel like doing anything else and like, after my first semester, I was just really overwhelmed and didn't feel like it was for me and so I decided to go into journalism and I was interested in, like, either film or games. Journalism because I love film just as much as I love games. I wouldn't say games are a little bit higher, cause I, I love film just as much as I love games. Um, I wouldn't say I would say games are a little bit higher, but I love, I love film, um, too, and uh and uh, yeah.

Speaker 5: 4:14

And then I got more involved with, like online gaming communities, um, and I was just like man, I really like want to do this, but it also felt like um, just a really tall task.

Speaker 5: 4:32

Like you, just it felt like you really had to like know the right people or just get really, really lucky. Um, I've had like throughout the years because I started in 2019 uh, throughout the years, I've had so many people like DM me, ask me, like yo, like do you have any advice for me? This, that or the other, and I told them I'm like y'all, like 75% of it is luck, like seven, like, like, like such a majority of it is just get being at the right place at the right time. And that is, uh what happened with me where, like, I, I, um, I I was in the kind of funny facebook group and one of the uh admins at the time or one of the members in the group, I forgot which um, their partner was the editor-in-chief at dual shockers okay and so I basically like got in touch with them and you know we talked.

Speaker 5: 5:31

I told them like, oh, yeah, I have, like you know, I have a journalism degree. I told them not, like you know, all these, they're asking like about like my uh opinions on games and things like that. And then we like uh, and then, yeah, they gave me a, uh, a freelance like gig there and uh, it was a really great uh site. Like I. There are people that I know that work with uh dual shockers and friends that like didn't that now do? Yeah, um, that I'm not trying to like talk down about the state of dual shockers now, but at that, but at that time it was very like it was meant to be like your baby steps, like your first steps, to like build yourself and then go to another site, right and and thrive at a bigger site. And I think that idea for that site was really really great. Um, it allowed people to kind of do what they wanted, write what they wanted, and and, uh, we found success there.

Speaker 5: 6:36

Um, but then the uh, the site was bought by a company I don't remember its name, uh, full name and then we kind of have like not everyone again, but like we basically had a mass exodus where a bunch of us were like the site's not going to be this what it was and we don't really vibe with that. So a bunch of us left, um and uh, then I uh did freelance for the longest time and uh, surprise, like surprisingly enough I don't even want to say like surprisingly, it's more like begrudgingly the pandemic was a huge boon for me, really, like, yes, a huge boon, like because everyone was working at home and that led to just like a lot more opportunities for people that didn't live in sf or la or all you know any of these uh, major cities, to go on these major podcasts so like I, you know, got to go on inside gaming during, uh, uh, the week for black history month that they did, um, uh, I, I think it was during that time.

Speaker 5: 7:47

And then, um there, uh, you know, I got asked by ryan mccaffrey over at ign to like go on podcasts unlocked a few times and then, like destin, uh went on, uh, maternity leave and um, and uh, ryan wanted me to fill in for him, like temp, like you know.

Speaker 5: 8:09

So I was like a permanent temporary co-host on podcast unlocked, which was crazy yeah, like you know like, uh, and I still like to this day, like it's one of those things where and I get it because I'm all I was also like, I was also there and I am still there to a certain extent. But, like, when you see, like, when you like talk to someone, like or interact with someone in person that you like look up to, you think that they're just like the hottest shit and I'm just like guys, I'm just, I'm just a dude. Yeah, I'm just a dude like please, don't like, please. Like I appreciate compliments, like I'm terrible at taking them, I like you know, but like like let's chill, let's, let's just hang.

Speaker 5: 8:46

You know what I mean like I'm just some guy and um, and so I just um, it was just really cool like how like supportive everyone was and like, and again like a lot of people like reaching out to me asking for advice, and again it was just a lot of. It's. A lot of people like reaching out to me asking for advice, and again it was just a lot of. It's a lot of like luck base and it's a lot of other people hyping you up. Yeah.

Speaker 5: 9:10

That that gets you to where to to these type of opportunities. Yeah. You just have to have people back you. Um, it was actually interesting, uh. At PAX West two years ago, I interviewed reggie fils-aimé oh wow, crazy, yeah, crazy yeah um, and you know, I asked him kind of about like being a person of color in the industry and like things like that and in his book I don't know if you've read his book yeah, I did his book he talks about.

Speaker 5: 9:40

Like you need to have people talking about you when you're not in the room yeah and, if you like, that's like one of the big things to like get you to these type of uh situations, and so I think that that during the pandemic did a lot for me, um, and so I'm uh, I'm very grateful and and thankful about that. And then, yeah, I did like some. I did some freelance writing for IGN, wrote some reviews mainly did previews because I would go to events that IGN doesn't normally go to because they really only cover game-wise now SGF.

Speaker 5: 10:18

Like when it comes to PAX, things like that, anything, almost anything that comes out of those shows are from freelancers yeah they're from people that like, just like reach out saying like, hey, like there's these games here, do you want me to do a preview on any of these? That type of thing. Um, and I think another big thing that people this is just like my general advice, um is that if there's anything that you want to do, just ask, just like literally, if just ask, and you would be surprised how many times they'll say yes or how few times they'll say no. Uh, and even in, even in the times when they say no, they know who you are. Now they will remember you and they'll think about you when something that comes across their table or whatever that they think you're going to be a good fit for.

Speaker 5: 11:13

So like there's never been an instance where I was told no on something that I didn't get, that they didn't come back to me later for something else wow it's just like one of those things where I think that and I know that like things have been a lot more dire since then, especially in the like byline written journalism side of things yeah but like that is the best thing you can do.

Speaker 5: 11:36

That is just like say who you are, what you do, hey, I'm, I'm looking to do this, this, that, that for you. Like, is there any, is there any opportunities you have for me and go from there, nice? So, uh, yeah, and then, um, outside of that, I freelance hosts sometimes. Uh, I got something in the works with that, actually, which is really cool I can't say what it is yet. Um, it's, hopefully will be announced.

Speaker 1: 12:00

Is it a tattoo?

Speaker 5: 12:02

Actually it'll be announced tomorrow. No, no, it's a it's a hosting gig. It's a hosting gig. Um, I'm right. Yeah, so that's cool. Uh, I'm, I'm a. I'm writing a book for um, for limited run games about kingdom hearts. Yeah.

Speaker 5: 12:17

With uh the boss fight book yeah, that's really cool so that's really. Yeah, that's really cool. Um, I'm doing a podcast unlocking kingdom hearts, basically just like a kingdom hearts book club, where we talk about each game and it's like me alexa jonathan dornbush used to be like the kingdom hearts guy at ign yeah and then kevin diaz um, who also does stuff with ign now and he has a youtube channel, playstation source, and uh, he's the newbie.

Speaker 5: 12:45

So like, basically, he's the newbie, we're all replaying the series and then we're like all kind of just talking about yo, like what we like about this game, what we don't like about this game, like thing, does this game hold up from from the veteran perspective, like for newbie, like how does this feel playing it the first time in 2023, 2024 and things like that. And so, um, that's basically uh, what that podcast is. Um, we have a few more episodes left. We're getting some close to the end there, but uh, yeah, and then, um, and that's about it, that's. That's like kind of like my, my whole whole spiel. I I've done other smaller things too. Right now I'm like I would say I'm a contributor, but it's really just working with Kalief over at Spawn on me. I go on the podcast. We talk every now or so. I'm going to SGF next week to do all that stuff. Yeah, that's me.

Speaker 1: 13:43

Nice Cam, thank you for joining us. Uh, I I do, in the future, want to have you come back on and sell me on kingdom hearts, because I have not played kingdom hearts and okay, okay, so I'll have you on sometime and I'm gonna have you sell me on why I should play kingdom hearts.

Speaker 1: 13:59

So, uh, no, it does interest me. And every time like I'm sometime and I'm gonna have you sell me on why I should play kingdom hearts. So, uh, no, it does interest me. And every time like I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do it this time, I'm gonna get into it. And then I don't know like other games get in my way. Um, but I will, I will get into it.

Speaker 4: 14:16

So it kind of shocks me, roger, with you being the big rpg guy you are I know, and I mean I like you.

Speaker 1: 14:23

Know, I like mickey mouse and donald duck.

Speaker 3: 14:26

I mean I, I like you know I like Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. I mean I do. It's like you were trying to convince yourself.

Speaker 4: 14:29

Yeah, no, kidding, you're like, I like RPGs and Mickey Mouse.

Speaker 1: 14:34

No, I do Donald's. Okay, I have, I have. Listen, I have Disney Infinity characters.

Speaker 4: 14:40

Put your goopy tattoo away. Roger Put it away.

Speaker 1: 14:44

That's a yeah, I know I have all these disney infinity characters like I love disney infinity. By the way, that was such a cool concept and such a cool game, but no, I'm a huge business fan.

Speaker 5: 14:53

I never played disney infinity.

Speaker 2: 14:55

I like I was like, okay, this is you know I don't know, it just never really that was like toys with bob game or whatever.

Speaker 4: 15:01

Right, yeah uh well, I mean, it was basically like disney skylanders.

Speaker 1: 15:05

It was like disney skylanders yeah, um, it was a cool concept. I think the thing that they ran into was again, obviously, the you know amiibos still survive, but that didn't survive. And then the other thing was I think the thing that killed it was, uh, disney infinity 2 was on new systems, so, like the original one was on like PlayStation 2 and then a PlayStation 3. Like you had to get PlayStation 3 to get the third one, and the people that are buying this game were not like me that own all the different systems. Like I actually remember seeing on a couple of forums like people parents complaining like why do I have to upgrade my system to continue to play this game? That's a racket, I hate it. Blah, blah, blah, which is too bad because it was a. It was a cool concept. The star wars ones are really cool, the the marvel ones are pretty cool too.

Speaker 1: 15:54

So okay um yeah but I have. I have donald and mickey. They're like looking right at me nobody's doubting you, roger.

Speaker 4: 16:03

Okay, I'm just saying I'm just saying you're getting very defensive here roger.

Speaker 1: 16:08

Uh well, welcome to the show.

Speaker 5: 16:09

I'm actually gonna. I was actually gonna ask are those expensive now? Are those figures expensive now that like, or is it just like? Uh are they are they? Are they dirt cheap? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1: 16:19

yeah, I don't think they're. I think they're hard to find. Some of them are hard to find. I don't think they're. I think they're hard to find. Some of them are hard to find. I don't think they're expensive. They're not like amiibos, like if you didn't buy them, good luck trying to find them again and then, if you, find them.

Speaker 5: 16:31

They're really.

Speaker 1: 16:32

I think Nintendo's been pretty good about reprints, actually of the past year, so yeah, I was gonna say recent right like they've been pretty good with that, but it looks like certain infinity figures are expensive, but like not all of them, I ones, oh boy man, I just typed in disney infinity and kind of went from there.

Speaker 5: 16:47

Yeah, like some of these are like dirt cheap, like obi-wan's ten dollars.

Speaker 4: 16:51

Oh yeah, they go for anywhere between four and four hundred dollars. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 1: 16:54

Wait, wait, wait. What's the four hundred dollars? What are the four hundred dollar ones? I want to see if I have those. I probably don't. If I do, then I'm gonna say see, wife, look at, this is why I collect these things. Uh, it was funny story about that, though, quick, when I, when we had some work done in our house, we had a plumber come in and he walked through my office because he had to get to the area. Uh, we need to work through my office, and he said oh, is this the? Is this the kids room?

Speaker 2: 17:23

well, I said no, this is my husband's office, yeah, so that mickey, so that mickey mouse one.

Speaker 5: 17:29

Is it just like the og mickey mouse style?

Speaker 1: 17:32

or is it a different style?

Speaker 5: 17:33

he's like fantasia okay, because if you had like the og mickey mouse that's like 500 whoa no, there's a peter pan, one that's going for like four as

Speaker 1: 17:43

well okay, I don't have peter pan either, wow apparently it was unreleased. I was actually looking into that, but oh no, I don't have Peter Pan one that's going for like four as well.

Speaker 5: 17:48

OK, I don't have Peter Pan either. Well, apparently it was unreleased. I was actually into that.

Speaker 1: 17:50

But yeah. So no, I don't have those. I think I feel like some of the Pirates of the Caribbean ones might be kind of hard to find too. I'm not 100% sure, but but I mean, I mean it was cool about that game is you can make levels in that game, like and I made levels for my kids to play. It was really fun. It was a cool game, cool concept. Um, all right. Well, also, I should shout out to our patrons, sarah, jill and Matt thank you so much for supporting Gamer Heads and listener, if you wish to support GamerHeads, you can do so as well. For as low as $3 a month, you can support the GamerHeads Nation. Go out to our Patreoncom slash GamerHeads where you can support us there and your money helps us have this show going For $3. That's a dollar per person. Sorry, cam, we don't have any money for you, but for those three we have $1 a month.

Speaker 5: 18:52

Hey, that's $1. You know what? I mean Money is money. Game is game, that's right.

Speaker 1: 19:00

So, mike, you're a busy person.

Speaker 4: 19:04

you're a busy person.

Speaker 1: 19:05

You're a busy person.

Speaker 4: 19:07

No, that's a different.

Speaker 1: 19:08

that's a different segment. Yeah, that's a different bit. Mike, you have a icebreaker for us this week.

Speaker 3: 19:12

Yes, uh, so this icebreaker is for cam. Um, I'm going to go ahead and start just for cam, nobody else. Right, you have 30 seconds to give us the entire kingdom hearts lore. Seconds to give us the entire Kingdom Hearts lore. In the beginning there was 30 seconds is impossible.

Speaker 5: 19:31

That's actually impossible.

Speaker 4: 19:33

The Micro Machines guy completely disagrees.

Speaker 3: 19:35

Yes, I'll tell you what take as long as you need, and then we'll just speed you up in post.

Speaker 5: 19:46

Do you actually want me to do this? No, no, no, I'm joking.

Speaker 4: 19:47

Okay, okay, okay you look so defeated Cam, even like it's just like y'all wouldn't be sitting here for like 10 minutes at least, like you.

Speaker 5: 19:59

And that's just for the.

Speaker 2: 20:01

That's just for the mandatory stuff like that's not even like the mandatory stuff, the side stuff.

Speaker 3: 20:09

What have I gotten myself into?

Speaker 1: 20:11

What have we got ourselves into? What's your icebreaker?

Speaker 3: 20:15

Over the weekend I got myself a table at a video games convention and liquidated a good portion of my games collection and gaming memorabilia collection. So have you know, on my drive home and everything and my day of relaxation today, I thought of a great icebreaker, and that icebreaker is this. What games that you got rid of Do you regret? Ooh. Ooh, what games that you got rid of. Do you regret? Oh, or anything video game related that you regret selling?

Speaker 5: 20:51

getting rid of, etc. The first thing that comes to my mind and it's because it's like relatively recent as in like past five years is that I sold my all. It was like it's like complete white. It was like pearl white. I think the pearl white 3ds xl new, new 3d, the new 3ds xl it was like it is still my favorite model and it was only being sold through um. It was like a um sae or whatever you know like that.

Speaker 5: 21:20

That area, that that region of 3ds games that like works on us systems yeah, it was like that type of model or something like that, and so I was just like, and I bought one I had for a long time and I just decided like, oh, I'm probably not gonna use my 3ds anymore, and I sold it.

Speaker 5: 21:36

And then when I realized, oh no, I need a like I'm trying to build a 3ds library again yeah um, I looked it up and like the cheapest one I could find was for a grant and I was like because, like once, yeah, because I don't know what it is about, the 3ds specifically. But really no matter what model you get, like if you're getting a new uh, 3ds or whatever, it's outrageously expensive for a new one. Like if you want want to get a new one. And that was like five, that was like four or five years ago. I can't even imagine like what it is now. Wow.

Speaker 5: 22:10

I ended up buying, like it was like a yellow Pikachu one, and even that one I paid way more than I wanted to. But cause I'm just like one of those guys, like I'm one of those weirdos where I would rather pay more money to get something new than, like, save money and get it pre-owned when it comes to like electronics or games or like things like that me too um, so, like just recently, because I'm playing through uh, we'll talk about it a little bit later, I guess, but like I'm playing through the dragon quest series for the first time okay

Speaker 5: 22:45

and so I just finished the first three that were on switch, and the only way that you can play four, five and six outside of mobile which I don't play games on mobile is the ds and and those games are so expensive, like really for a single game, yeah, like they're. They're really expensive, like I think. I think, uh, on the low end, one of them was like 150 or 140 and then like, if you're and this is new specifically it might be a little bit cheaper if you get a pre-owned.

Speaker 5: 23:19

But like even so, like that's still ridiculous yeah and then like, uh, I think like dragon quest 5 alone was like was trying to sell for like 250 or something like that wow and I was just like that. What that is.

Speaker 5: 23:34

That's insane yeah but eventually like, and so I eventually like, just saved up because I had, I was like I gotta do one where, because I waited, I waited years, I waited at least three years. Um, because, because I was like checking the prices consistently for about three or four years, I do one where, cause I waited, I waited years, I waited at least three years. Um, cause, cause, I was like checking the prices consistently for about three or four years and during that time I'm like y'all, like square Enix, like get these things on the switch, because you did the first three on the switch and those are the mobile versions of the switch.

Speaker 5: 23:59

Uh, the uh the switch versions, their ports and the mobile versions. So I'm like why can't you do that for four through six? And they just never did it, and so I just I just decided. I was like I'm just gonna save up the money to be able to get them and so like I don't have them like right next to me, but uh, they're over there and I'm like I really hope that within the next two or three years they do not, they do not port those now now I'm being gatekeepy now I'm like no, don't do it.

Speaker 5: 24:25

I already spent all this money yeah um, so yeah it um, yep wow, didn't.

Speaker 1: 24:35

Was dragon war, am I wrong? Was dragon warrior dragon quest? Is that that same thing? Same thing. Yeah well, this is not. This is not something that I sold, but I wish my parents would have listened to me when I told them that we could have got dragon warrior for free with our subscription to nintendo power yeah, they didn't believe me.

Speaker 3: 24:55

My mom wouldn't believe me either.

Speaker 1: 24:57

She refused to believe that we could get dragon warrior for free I bet you, your parents said the same thing to me. There's no such thing as a free game. It's not free, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, no, it is free. If you order a year subscription, you get this game for free. And then my friend got it and he's like, look at, I got dragon warrior. And my dad was like, oh, I guess, I guess there is a free game. Oh, I was so mad. I'm still mad.

Speaker 3: 25:17

I'm still angry right now. I remember specifically sitting in the kitchen listening to my mom argue with the person on the phone at the nintendo power 800 number yeah she's like so you're trying to tell me like she's trying to tear the she's. She's like the prosecutor or something with a witness on the stand. She's just like, just real, and she's like and then finally she's like all right, if that's what it is, yeah, we'll get it. I was like yes you got it oh, I got it yeah oh yeah, see, I didn't.

Speaker 1: 25:47

My parents didn't believe it.

Speaker 5: 25:48

They were just like no, that's, that's not true, that's well, my parents were kind of the same, like they were really bad about like uh, growing up. Like I knew, at a certain point I knew that at the very least I was getting the new pokemon game and the new kingdom hearts game. They came like I knew that my parents would like, knew that I cared about those games, but like anything else, they were just like what's this game? Like what's this?

Speaker 5: 26:16

game like like up until I don't know. Probably like until I. Until like the 360 era, when I was like old enough to like do everything myself yeah yeah, like they were just like what's this game about? Like is there, is there like violence in it or like things like that? And I would say like, and even if I said like yes, it would still end up getting it. For me, it's like why'd?

Speaker 1: 26:36

you ask me all right right yeah, right. See, I grew up at a time where, like my parents didn't even know video games could be violent. Until they saw mortal combat, they're like, whoa, what is this? But by then I was already in high school. I'm like, well, what are you gonna do? I mean, this is no different than like after school activities.

Speaker 4: 26:55

So yeah, my mom, like you, had people ripping each other's hearts out after school. That was a joke.

Speaker 1: 27:01

that was a joke, oh, that's so, but it's no different than indiana jones and temple of doom, where, you know, gets his heart ripped off, except you're not in control of it.

Speaker 5: 27:09

We were talking about this earlier, but my mom's British, yeah, and even though she's British, you think that like British is like basically just like another, like in the sense of like knowing pop culture and things like that and knowing just like the kind of regular things that we think are completely normal in day to day. She is very much a foreigner still like she's like what's this, what's that?

Speaker 5: 27:34

like she doesn't know, like she's. Like I try to show her hamilton and she, like she's. She's the only person that I've like, I've made or or like convinced to watch hamilton yeah and she, she hated it because she didn't understand anything. She has no american history. She's like. She's like I was like do you know who george washington is?

Speaker 5: 27:47

and she's like a fucking traitor I was like yeah, I don't know. She's like no, I don't know who that is, and I'm like the first president of the united because she never got her citizenship. So she sells a green card and everything like that. Okay, so like I'm just like the first president of the united states, he's like, it's like bro, everyone should know yeah, yeah, yeah yeah well, I mean but I mean, do they teach it?

Speaker 1: 28:10

I mean maybe they teach a different side of history in england, absolutely, oh yeah oh yeah, they just glaze over that. Well, that then, and then we moved on from that.

Speaker 5: 28:19

We let them have their little island and and we let them do their own thing I I actually I know this is a video game podcast, but I actually asked my mom like more about what her curriculum was when she was in school, yeah um, and I know that, like during primary school, like they, very they, instead of like the two years, like they very much were like into learning a second language and things that america should be doing yeah, yeah, yeah but uh, yeah, so, um, they definitely had different curriculum and stuff, but like, yeah it, it really is like one of those things where she's like very just not aware about a lot of stuff in america still being like here, since I was what?

Speaker 5: 29:03

for 28 years now she's been in america, so wow that was funny.

Speaker 1: 29:10

Uh well, can I'll? I'll say my thing, that I'm sad that I sold well and I it's not even something I sold. Can I, can I go and can I talk about the thing that, what I didn't even have control over it a game that you game, yeah, any kind of gaming thing that you once had, once had yeah, no longer. Okay, so it doesn't have to be a game, right? It can be related though, right.

Speaker 3: 29:30

As long as it's gaming, I mean I'll interrupt you if I don't like what you're saying, oh okay.

Speaker 1: 29:35

So when I was a kid, there was a Legend of Zelda board game and this thing was really cool and right now it sells for like $200 or $300. And my mom was like, didn't even ask. She was like, oh, these kids probably don't want this anymore and she sold it for 10 cents at a grummet sale and it was. It was, if you ever look it up, it's Milton Bradley made this game which is crazy to me, I think. But it was like an adventure board game where you had hearts and you had to punch all these little hearts and then you had to like move. I kind of remember that. Actually, now that you say that part.

Speaker 1: 30:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was cool and you had to go into the different areas. There was like different areas on the map and you had to go get all the different pieces for the tribe. It was cool, it was such a cool game and and that game. And then there was another game that I had. I had Raiders of the Lost Ark board game that my mom sold for a nickel. But my wife actually bought that on on eBay for me for one Christmas, but the Zelda game was too expensive. So so I and I still haven't seen it. I wish, I wish I went back to my hometown because there was a, there was a toy store that like wouldn't reshelve anything or they would restock anything. They just pulled out stock from like the 19 1982 and I was hoping that maybe it was stuck back there somewhere. But it wasn't so.

Speaker 5: 30:54

But I did get fireball island from there. So I'm looking at it right now and there's like someone selling a used copy that like isn't even.

Speaker 1: 31:01

Apparently it's mostly complete for 150 dollars, yeah, yeah that makes me sad, although you know, by fire I have the original fireball island and that's worth like 500 bucks and my wife is like, well, are you gonna sell it?

Speaker 5: 31:15

and I said no, and then she said well, then it's not worth anything like I don't know what that game is, so I would just say, if I had that game, yeah a game I do not care about or know about, that's 500 yeah I would just sell that to get a physical copy of earthbound, because that is also five hundred dollars. That is, that is also five hundred dollars you have to.

Speaker 1: 31:36

If you played fireball island, you would say, oh my goodness, I don't I. That game is amazing anyway, like mousetrap no it's not. It's nothing like. It is not like mousetrap, it's like sorry. It's not like sorry, it's not it's not. It is not Sorry trap. It is like not Sorry. No, it's not. It's not like that at all. It is a 3D board game.

Speaker 3: 32:02

We have these little adventures.

Speaker 1: 32:09

No, it's not like mouse trap. Mouse trap has a 3d.

Speaker 4: 32:11

Oh my god. Anyway, phil, you answer this question next. I am a hoarder so you haven't sold anything I really haven't lost much of anything throughout my lifetime. Um small handful of nes games and I was a kid but I don't think any of them are really worth anything. I'd say I wish I still had my old nes, but that thing broke so that doesn't do me any good. Um, I had an odd world cut out that I wouldn't mind having behind me right now, from when odd world originally launched.

Speaker 5: 32:36

I yeah, I haven't lost much of anything throughout the course of my life as far as video games go so it's not a loss, but it is like, just, I'm still devastated about it, like to this day, it's been four years later and I'm still devastated. Um, but so my, you know, my dad uh, not covet related, but my dad passed away in 2020, so we were cleaning out my, my bedroom, my childhood bedroom, and I knew because I was already like, it was already in my mind that the next time I went down to to, to their house, I was going to pick up my complete copy of pokemon soul silver, like with the box, the poke walker, everything and the box was in perfect condition, like no dents, no dents at all.

Speaker 5: 33:23

And so I have everything packed up and I like, so I put on the back seat and I put like this I took like a blanket with me or something, put that over it and then I put something heavy on top and I didn't realize it?

Speaker 5: 33:35

oh no, and when I and when I pulled it out, dude, there's like I, I have it like you really like. If you just like glanced at it, you would think it would be in perfect condition, but if you like took a second to look at it. There's just like this giant, like bend on the top now and I was like I was grieving two, two different ways let me I was grieving in two different ways. I was like this is devastating um and uh, yeah, that that sucked.

Speaker 5: 34:01

I just had to talk about that story because that I still think about it. I'm just like because I kind of have it on display over here yeah, it's like you see the starters right there oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I got my oh and I found my og pokemon crystal box the best pokemon game the best pokemon game, right there so how mad were you, how mad at yourself were you when that happened.

Speaker 1: 34:21

Like did you like?

Speaker 5: 34:23

I mean, I was already again, I was already grieving like a much more serious matter. Yeah. And so I was just like I was devastated, but like I was already so emotionally distraught that I like it didn't really change anything. Yeah. But I was also just like why did I do this? Like if I could turn back time.

Speaker 4: 34:43

Was it one of those like, well, of course this just happened right now, why wouldn't it?

Speaker 1: 34:48

Yeah, exactly was it one of those like, well, of course this just happened right now. Why wouldn't it? Yeah, exactly yeah, mike. What about you?

Speaker 3: 34:55

one day back in 2006, story time with mike yeah, was it 2007, somewhere around that I was with a buddy of mine and uh, oh, he had just hacked his og xbox. So we took a trip over to blockbuster to rent a couple games that he could rip to the hard drive, and I hadn't been to this blockbuster ever. This was like probably it was near his house, maybe about 20 minutes away. So we go to the blockbuster, we're walking around and uh, I see on the bottom shelf, amongst all the the what was it? Ps2 and Xbox and GameCube games, a couple of games on sale. One of those games was Castlevania Symphony of the Night. On sale, not used, brand new, on sale for a dollar 99, along with Resident Evil 2, also $1.99. I absolutely flipped. I flipped out and I bought them both. Stupid me. A couple days later opens Symphony of the Night, plays it for half an hour and then, a few months later, trades it in at a local games shop. Oh no.

Speaker 5: 36:11

When you're a kid, though, like it's just.

Speaker 4: 36:13

Oh, mike wasn't a kid, I wasn't a kid in 2007. I had already had my kid by 2007.

Speaker 3: 36:23

Real, yes, I'm 44. Okay.

Speaker 5: 36:26

I'm 44. You look damn good for 44, hom homie and he's the young one.

Speaker 1: 36:30

Yep, yeah, he's the young one. I'm the old one. That's actually what we go by. I'm the old one, that's. That's the minutes I just turned.

Speaker 5: 36:40

I just turned 30 and so I'm like yeah okay, you're the young one actually, right now. So I thought I like. That's why I thought like, oh, you were like, you're like a teenager you know what I mean. So like when you say that you're 44, I'm like oh, I thought you were like my age, Sorry.

Speaker 1: 36:59

I love how Cam was like you know, but when you're a kid and Mike's like, but I wasn't. That was his out.

Speaker 5: 37:08

Oh it's okay, you were kidding. Oh no, now I got no excuse, you're just an idiot. I hope I look as good as you have 44. I already think I look young for my age, especially if I didn't have my beard and stuff. I hope I look, I hope.

Speaker 3: 37:20

I look back, thank you.

Speaker 1: 37:22

What about 48? Do you hope you look this good at 48, Cam? Uh Whoa.

Speaker 4: 37:29

No, no, no no no, no, no no. Cam's internet just crashed.

Speaker 5: 37:33

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I do think no, I genuinely Stop laughing because you're making me feel bad. And let me explain myself.

Speaker 1: 37:41

Cam's a nice guy.

Speaker 5: 37:42

everybody, roger is prone to laughter so I think you look great for 40. Again, if I asked, if y'all made me guess your age before anything, I would not have gone that high for any of y'all Like I wouldn't. So like yes, technically.

Speaker 4: 38:07

You're 47, roger, 47.

Speaker 5: 38:10

I'm just saying that, like mike looks the youngest out of the three of y'all, so I want to look like I know, I know, but I'm just saying in general, like he is and I also think like thought and so like I want to look like mike at that age I'm just giving a hard time.

Speaker 1: 38:27

Nobody should ever want to look like me at 48 poor cam. Oh man, that was really funny. Uh, oh no, it's fine, it's it's, it's okay, it's okay listen, I'm.

Speaker 5: 38:47

I'm saying that you look younger than 48.

Speaker 3: 38:50

That's all I'm saying that's all right, we'll take this out in post. Yeah, we'll take this out I don't take anything in post.

Speaker 4: 39:01

No, he doesn't mike, if it makes you feel better. Any still have my copy of Symphony of the Night, as well as Resident Evil 3 is it sealed? No, they're not sealed.

Speaker 5: 39:13

I did get the limited run to like a PS4, like the PS4 version of Symphony of the Night and Rondo of Blood. I got the collector's edition for that. It's still sealed, it's like up there somewhere, but yeah, yeah, I want to like do a series playthrough of castlevania sometime soon there is a new.

Speaker 3: 39:37

You should. Uh, there is a new fan-made castlevania game that is a symphony of the Night-esque game with OG Castlevania graphics and I think gameplay Okay. I think it's called Castlevania Revamped Okay, and it's getting some pretty positive buzz.

Speaker 5: 39:58

Okay, I'll check that out. It's free, that's free. That's a fan game, that's good. Well, and I?

Speaker 3: 40:07

will regret this. One of the things I sold on Saturday was my physical copy of streets of rage to Simpsons edition, which, which is a ROM hack of streets of rage to putting Simpsons arcade characters in there. I haven't regretted it yet because I'm still kind of reeling from everything. But I think I will regret that soon.

Speaker 5: 40:26

In the future when you're selling your games. Yes, you hit me up because I'm, because there's a very real chance I might want to buy some stuff well, if you let me know what you're looking for, I could let you know if I have it. I mean, I got looking for a lot, so it would probably be easier to tell me what you're selling that's okay, that's yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 3: 40:42

I I got rid of honestly, I got rid of a lot of my heavy hitters River City Girls.

Speaker 1: 40:47

Oh, that's, one of them.

Speaker 5: 40:52

I have a friend in Oakland and every time I'm in the Bay Area I'll go to his place and he has a sealed copy sitting there. I'm like, bro, what do I have to do to take this from you? And he's like, think I, like I've slowly been like knocking him down on it, but like he still hasn't, he still hasn't let me buy it from him. But that is, that is a big one. That is a big one that I wanted that was your sealed?

Speaker 1: 41:19

was yours sealed my?

Speaker 3: 41:20

mine no, mine was open. It was the best buy variants, but it was open um, and I sold that. I actually I was able, and this one, this, actually, this one made me happy. I was actually able to sell, uh, my copy of silent hill, um, that I got at gamestop a year ago. Yes, that's true, that's 100. True, it was actually in a gamestop store. I bought it for 40 bucks, I sold it for 175 $175.

Speaker 5: 41:47

Nice. I'm very happy and we can move on after this. I'm very happy because I have Shantae and the Pirate's Curse for Switch. That's like $500.

Speaker 3: 41:56

Really, I do not have.

Speaker 5: 41:57

I never got that one, that is the one Shantae game that Limited Run did. That is for some reason insanely expensive.

Speaker 3: 42:05

Yeah, they won't reprint it. They reprinted all the other ones. They won't, or they reprinted a lot of them, but no, yeah, they don't they reprinted uh, half genie hero.

Speaker 5: 42:13

Okay, because that was published by exceed initially. Okay, so that's um but yeah, but they did all the other ones and it's just like it's so. It was so, uh, I, I got it like. I still got it like post market, so I still had to pay like more than I wanted to, but like not, not like that remotely in that range.

Speaker 3: 42:32

That's how I feel about Stranger Things, the game. I have Stranger Things. I regret not picking that up. I saw that at Best Buy for like 30 bucks. I'm like I don't need it. And now it's worth like 200 because they delisted.

Speaker 5: 42:43

Really yeah. Once I yeah because they delisted it. Yeah, once I saw that it was being delisted, I immediately went to eBay. I'm like, okay, how cheap can I get this?

Speaker 3: 42:51

Wow the only heavy hitter I didn't sell and then I'll stop. The only heavy hitter I haven't sold yet is Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 on the Switch. Oh shit, I want that I want that.

Speaker 5: 43:01

Let's talk, let's talk, we'll do it in post.

Speaker 3: 43:03

We We'll do it in post, you can do it right now and I'll just cut it out. We're going to do the negotiating on the podcast.

Speaker 1: 43:12

Do I hear one 100, 200, 250. And I take a cut of whatever you sell you get to find your speed.

Speaker 1: 43:21

That's right, cool. That was a good icebreaker. Let's move on to the games that are coming out next week. There's not a lot of games, at least like on my list. Maybe there's more, and I'm just not aware of it, but here's the games that I have listed that are coming out next week. On the 4th of June we have Destiny 2, the Final Shape for PlayStation 5, xbox Series X and S, playstation 4, xbox One and PC, xbox series x and s, playstation 4, xbox one and pc uh, killer clowns from outer space. The game on playstation 5, xbox series x and s on and pc on the fourth as well also on the fourth it is.

Speaker 3: 43:58

No, it came out early if you pre-ordered it yeah, oh, so it officially comes.

Speaker 1: 44:02

So you, so you. You pre-ordered it, then I'm assuming phil. No, it told me it was in the store, so I bought it.

Speaker 4: 44:05

Oh really, you still technically pre-ordered it. You then, I'm assuming Phil. No, it told me it was in the store, so I bought it. Oh really, you still technically pre-ordered it.

Speaker 3: 44:10

You paid for it before the official release date. Oh, I won.

Speaker 1: 44:14

There you go Star Wars Hunters, which is actually a free game. I didn't realize that it's on the Switch, ios and Android. Phil don't even say anything.

Speaker 5: 44:30

And then assassin's creed mirage which is on ios on the six so assassin's creed mirage is on ios. Yeah, yeah, what yeah, have they been doing that putting?

Speaker 1: 44:38

I don't know. I don't know, I mean, it seems weird, right yeah um. So anyway, I don't know I need to.

Speaker 5: 44:47

I need to play, uh, assassin's creed. That was like what, like one of the few games of last year that I I normally I normally play, like every assassin's creed at launch, like that's one of my favorite franchises. Like I know people are like oh, I'm tired of assassin's creed and I'm like I eat this shit up every year baby yeah um, but that one I I did not get to play um, so I really want to play it before Shadows comes out later this year yeah.

Speaker 1: 45:14

I mean, I want to play Star Wars Hunters. I don't know, it's an arena shooter. That's why it's free. Yes, phil, I know, I know, I know, it's weird that the Android is the most powerful thing it comes out on.

Speaker 4: 45:24

Oh.

Speaker 1: 45:24

God, here we go, here we go. Droid's the most powerful thing it comes out on. Oh god, here we go, here we go, uh. But killer clowns, obviously, is one game that I really I want to play too. I want to play with uh cam. You're always welcome to join us too if we want to play, uh, you know, four players. I don't know if you're a big fan of those types of games, cam.

Speaker 5: 45:39

I don't know I've heard that game. I saw the. I was gonna say like, did you see the cosplayers at PAX? Yeah, yeah yeah, like I saw, like I've seen and heard about it. I know nothing about what that game looks like or what the genre is, or any uh think Texas Chainsaw Massacre, think Friday the 13th, that's the game dead by daylight dead by daylight oh, it's set by daylight. Okay, it's fine. That's not my, not my thing.

Speaker 1: 46:04

I don't like I don't like games.

Speaker 5: 46:05

I don't like horror games and things like that.

Speaker 1: 46:07

So yeah, uh. Yeah, the cosplayers are pretty cool at paxi, so that that was. That was pretty neat and they had actually a really big like setup, like it was a huge tent they have.

Speaker 5: 46:18

They've done a big marketing push for that game, like I saw, like merch for that at like game stop the other day and I'm like oh really do people want this like? Do people like are people gonna buy, like a killer, clowns from outer space, like plush or toy or something like that, like us?

Speaker 4: 46:35

old folks will okay those of us that were alive when the movie came out. Absolutely, I almost bought a $200 animatronic every Halloween for the last three Halloween since it's been out. I love no-transcript.

Speaker 1: 46:48

Have you seen the movie Cam? Have you ever seen the movie?

Speaker 5: 46:51

Okay, and this is where I do the podcast.

Speaker 3: 46:53

Good stuff.

Speaker 5: 46:54

I do not like horror stuff. Yeah, it's not. This is not scary, I don't like horror movies either.

Speaker 1: 47:00

Cam and I can watch this because it's not scary, it's. Drake, I mean, no, here's the thing. If you think, like we talked about this last week, if you think about what's actually happening to them, it's actually scary, but it's, it's so campy.

Speaker 3: 47:12

It's not scary at all. It's like it's designed. It's directed on purpose to be a throwback to 1950s. You know cheesy B horror movies.

Speaker 1: 47:20

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 47:21

Yeah so yeah, it's not scary, it's, it's, it's like as scary, as like army of darkness is scary, like that's how scary it is. That's a good, that's a good, that's a good comparison, roger.

Speaker 4: 47:33

Yeah, uh and I love roger saw a movie with darkness in the name army. Darkness is one of my favorite movies. I'm just saying I'm surprised you've seen a movie of darkness in the name, that's all.

Speaker 1: 47:42

Well, I don't. I don't like horror movies.

Speaker 3: 47:45

You should watch darkness falls if you're on a darkness kick roger since you're on a darkness kick, darkness falls.

Speaker 1: 47:50

That's a good one too it doesn't sound like a game movie I want to watch. I'm not gonna lie. Uh, I don't know any other games that interest anybody here. I don't, I, I'm not a. I kind of fell off the destiny 2 bandwagon a while man.

Speaker 5: 48:04

I like the thing is, it's just, I am I don't know like if this happened to y'all at a certain age or whatever, but like I have just kind of um changed my where I'm willing to put my time and resources into a video, into video games, um, that that that was me, probably during the pandemic um, because, like I I talked about, I like talked about a little bit at the beginning of the podcast, but there's a series that I like love almost as equally as kingdom hearts, now called the legend of heroes, and uh, it's a it's a relatively niche jrpg series, um, and it like to me, has like the best world building the best like lore, like the best, like the most realized video game universe I've ever experienced. Um, and I, over that time, I've like put a lot of my kind of hours into like playing games that are going to like tell me a story you know like, like like you're reading a book, right, like, oh, like that's like that's the thing I really go for. Like obviously I still want the gameplay to be good, but it's I want to experience stories at the end of the day, um, and so I like, outside of overwatch, I I play overwatch all the time. I still love overwatch, yes, yes, sir. Um, I just like can't put my energy into like multiplayer games, like games, anymore. Really, I play fortnite too. Actually, I like you know if, if, if the skins in the battle pass or the event pass aren't like something that I care about, then I just ignore until the next season. Um, but like in general, I still like keep uh up to date on Fortnite and things like that.

Speaker 5: 49:56

Um, but outside of those two games, I just I just don't really play. I really only play like single player story driven experiences now, um, and I just like I just I just that's just kind of like where I'm at with my games. Uh, with my games right now, um, I don't uh, and like with destiny, I was like where am I going with this? Uh, with destiny? I back on the 360 or like xbox early, xbox one or whatever. I uh, I was still, I was like just out of high school, like things like that.

Speaker 5: 50:29

Like I was still, I didn't have like to have like a full-time job and all these things. I was in college, right, like, and so I had time to like put towards destiny and like when they did that anniversary thing with xbox, I found out that destiny was my most played game and I was. I was, I was shocked, even though I know I put a lot of time into it. I thought it was like rock band 2, because rock band 2 is, like my, my fourth favorite game of all time.

Speaker 5: 50:58

Like I would like when I was actually in high school, like in my bedroom I would just spend nights playing, like you know, uh, rock band too, and uh, and I just like and I, so I played like all of destiny one and I was consistent to it, like through it throughout, and then I got to destiny two and I played like the first, like the base stuff, but like after that, I just like, I just kind of fell off and I've never really felt a need to return and like as the conversations I know that there are people that are still Destiny sickos and good on them, oh yeah, but like I, just they haven't been able to like convince me that it's something I need to hop back into in a real way, unlike how people say like things about Final Fantasy XIV, where I'm like I gotta, I gotta know I what, what's the what?

Speaker 5: 51:48

is the secret sauce that Final Fantasy XIV is doing. I gotta understand. So I just like, I wanna be excited about a new Destiny expansion, but I just can't. I just can't. It sucks. I wanna be happy but I wanna care. That's just where I am at life right now. I just gotta, you know, accept it.

Speaker 4: 52:04

Cam to that point as well, though, as you say, like the secret sauce of Final Fantasy. I feel like, if you're an avid Overwatch player, as I am, I feel like I get asked that question a lot Like what keeps you coming back to Overwatch?

Speaker 5: 52:18

oh, because I mean, like the gameplay is just like it never gets old. It's just like a. Yeah, I just, I just love because even even though like overwatch is still technically a um, like arena shooter, like in a sense, it's kind of still its own thing, like in a way that like valorant or uh, those type of games, uh, that would kind of technically fit under the same umbrella as overwatch aren't like, they're not like overwatch in that way for me, and so I just like, I just love like pushing the payload and like, uh, the the diversity in the characters and there's just it's a really frustrating thing, cause I actually was like talking with Kalief about it on the Spawn on Me podcast this past week. That, like the state of Overwatch is, has me worried.

Speaker 4: 53:19

Yeah, it's bleak, and dire yeah, internally and externally too.

Speaker 5: 53:23

right, because, like with the xbox starting now, tango game works and like things like that, I'm like, oh shit, overwatch might be on the chopping block like in a real way, because you know I love over, like I love overwatch, but I'm I'm also going to be realistic when I say that like out of all of what Blizzard's got going on right now, that's probably on the chopping block. You know that's the first thing to go, and so I hope that that isn't the case.

Speaker 4: 53:56

I was like I'm not going to actually do this, but if I see Phil Spencer in person next week I'm gonna be like please don't kill overwatch yeah, whatever you do, man sir, I understand the player base numbers are down and you feel it, especially when you're playing and I'm not I'm not a super high rank, I'm. I'm a mid to high silver, so like, I'm not that great at the game, but I just feel as though I see the same people coming through time and time again and, with load and search times being what they are as well, I feel like that's kind of a telling sign as well and that's not even touching on the fact that I don't know what they're going to do for season 11.

Speaker 4: 54:32

When season 11 kicks off and they laid off whatever percentage of the team that they laid off, like this battle pass feels weaker than the rest of them, or I? Yeah, I'm, I'm going to call it a battle pass, but it just I'm. I'm very concerned that we might be looking at the end of Overwatch very soon, and that's seven years later, six years later.

Speaker 5: 54:50

Yeah, I, I, I really. And the thing is is like I think a big thing internally about the game is and this has always been an issue about competitive overwatch, where like you kind of get placed in a uh, you know you pace like I'm also kind of like high silver, but I know I'm much better absolutely a lot of the players that I am.

Speaker 5: 55:12

I, I play with yep, but I but I lose because I'm playing with incompetent teammates yep and I'm not. It's not even like trying to be an asshole, no, it's just. This is just the case. And so, like because if I play DPS, the support sucks and I'm like, okay, let me play support and then the DPS sucks.

Speaker 4: 55:29

You're suddenly looking at like a Hanzo with 3 kills and 17 deaths, with like 2 grand of damage, and you've done more than that as a healer, like as a Zenyatta or a Lucio or somebody like that like it's absolutely frustrating and infuriating or you get a tank that can't do a fucking thing. It isn't like playing a tank while they're playing 50 feet in front of like, where the objective is.

Speaker 5: 55:47

It's oh yeah, like I.

Speaker 4: 55:49

I realistically think that like I have some talk again talk overwatch with nerds. See you guys later.

Speaker 5: 55:54

Previous previous previous overwatch experience. Like overwatch one, I should be like in platinum, yep, but I'm in, I'm in silver one and I'm just like. I should be literally two tiers higher than this, yeah, and it's just like, but it's just, it is what it is and it's really frustrating. And again, like there are certain like like the tank role is, even with the passive changes that they just made in the mid-season update, not not looking great. The tank role is like the tank role is not fun to play right now. It's not tank and tank was my favorite like, probably my favorite role play, probably not my best role, but like my favorite role. And now it's like I can't play. Like, uh, I play zarya and reinhardt primarily, but I like to play reinhardt because reinhardt's just fun. I think zarya is my best thing, but I just have fun playing Reinhardt in a different way. So I play Reinhardt a lot, but Reinhardt is by far the worst tank in the game right now.

Speaker 5: 56:50

And he has been for a while and so it's just like and now there's like this whole, because I don't know if I don't know, if y'all know, mike and Roger, but the this is all Greek to me.

Speaker 1: 57:02

I'm not going to lie, so so so.

Speaker 5: 57:05

Overwatch was initially a six V six game, okay, and in Overwatch two, they decided to drop one of the tanks and have it a five V five and, like, their goal was that they wanted the game to be quicker, they wanted it to be more offensive, more aggressive, and initially there was a lot of backlash, right, and at first I was like, okay, let's see how the game goes right. And while it took like seven or eight seasons, it's now starting to look like that, yeah, they, they might have fucked up, they might have fucked up dropping that tank roll because the tank, because, like, um, there's. We're just like in this place right now where if you're not playing like one or two of these, like 10 tanks that are available, you're almost like you know I'm being hyperbolic, but you're like objectively wrong. You're objectively wrong to play any other character and so it's just like what, what can you do to fix this?

Speaker 5: 58:04

And like, and and on top of that, um, because there's only one tank, uh, what people will do is that they'll pick the tank they want to play and if they see, like that they're playing against a tank that counters them, they're immediately going to switch and it's just like them switching off of each other the entire game and it just it really ruins the flow of the game. Um, and so, yeah, and so it's like, does is blizzard going to bring it back to a 6v6, like and this isn't even talking about all the other problems with overwatch 2 like them canceling the pve and like a whole bunch of other stuff which and at this point I other stuff, and at this point I'm not even going to say, at this point, I'm surprised they haven't done it for years. Now. Where's our Overwatch show? Give us an Overwatch show.

Speaker 4: 58:51

They had the beautiful animated shorts in the early days and they just kind of dropped them and those things were gorgeous and they were super well done and it's all just falling to the wayside. I'm not even mad about the PVE anymore. It's they kind of threw in that campaign mode or whatever that they gave us four or five maps for and they haven't touched that since season four and it's like just give us one more of those a season and I'll be okay with it.

Speaker 5: 59:10

Well, that's what the PVE was Right, and they canceled it. They said, look, we're not doing it anymore. And then they got, they stopped doing that, which I actually think is a good thing, because they said no one's playing it. I'm like, cool, stop doing it. Like I want. I want you to put your resources and things that are going to make the game better, um. But then they also did like the things where it's like, oh, so in overwatch, one right uh, you would get in competitive, you get competitive points to get a gold skinned weapon, right.

Speaker 5: 59:39

And now they introduced this was this season or last season and anyway they released the, the next like special weapon, which is the jade right, yep. But they introduced a new currency. So you can't use any of your legacy currency on the jade or the uh and you can't use the new currency on the gold. If you have, like, you can't mix and match. So I so I have like for me, because you need 3 000 credits yep to, or competitive points to get a gold weapon or a jade weapon. I have over 2 000 legacy uh competitive points that I just can't use, yep, I literally cannot use them because you can't, they won't let you mix and match. So because, like I'm not crazy about the jade skin, so I'm just getting more gold weapons right now.

Speaker 5: 1:00:19

Right, but still, it's just like I'm not crazy about the jade skin, so I'm just getting more gold weapons right now right but still, it's just like I could have gotten uh a gold weapon and almost halfway to my next gold weapon by now, if they let me mix and match. But I don't know. It's like a whole bunch of issues with overwatch and I really, but I love that game so much and I really want uh that game to be successful, but there's just like a lot of again a lot of reasons both in and outside of the game that uh has uh me worried and it seems like phil's on the same page.

Speaker 4: 1:00:52

I'm definitely on the same page, and I can tell you with a high level of certainty that anybody that I play with is also very concerned about it. Also, roger mike, sorry for opening that can, but uh I don't ever have anybody to talk overwatch with on this show and I just have somebody, so work and like that's the game that I devote most of my time to inside that, or mlb the show.

Speaker 4: 1:01:10

So I mean, and mlb the show is just my mindless wind down and overwatch time is overwatch time. I play every night for at least an hour hour and a half a night and I grind on it and I don't ever have anybody to talk about it with and thank goodness I've got cam here that I could kind of vent and we can go back and forth for a second yo, yo, we can, we can uh get the information.

Speaker 5: 1:01:28

We can squad up, I'm down, I'm down wow, this is I.

Speaker 1: 1:01:32

I know what you feel like now, phil, when when I talk about nintendo stuff. I'm sorry, I just muted you I'm just kidding, that was a joke, no, but but you know it was interesting to tie into it because I don't play Overwatch, okay, but to tie into it last week was the State of Play and that Concord game. I was going to ask because it looks to me a lot like Overwatch. I could be wrong.

Speaker 5: 1:01:55

You're right. I think people are comparing it more to um, to like destiny or um or something like of that does that kind of sphere of things of a live action game?

Speaker 3: 1:02:09

yeah, but, isn't it isn't it squad squad, isn't it?

Speaker 4: 1:02:13

five v five hero shooter, yeah but that's like comparing hockey or football to soccer because they both have 11 people on the field. I mean, just because it's squad versus squad doesn't mean that it's the same game, or football to soccer, because they both have 11 people on the field. I mean, just because it's squad versus squad doesn't mean that it's the same game.

Speaker 5: 1:02:27

Yeah, because I mean like and that's what I was kind of saying like what makes Overwatch so special is that, like there are games that are definitely like in inspiration of Overwatch like Paladins. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:02:38

Paladins.

Speaker 5: 1:02:39

Predecessor just came out Overwatch vibes there.

Speaker 4: 1:02:43

One, yeah, paladins Predecessor just came out. Overwatch vibes there. The one that also, oh hell, the company that does all of the that does the Borderlands game, just put out one too, or re-released it, gigantic. Oh, okay. Gearbox just re-released Gigantic and that's got the same Overwatch vibes to it, and they're also doing a Marvel-style Overwatch game as well. That it's just like what are you guys doing? Yeah, oh yeah. Marvel Rivals is straight up just Marvel Overwatch.

Speaker 1: 1:03:06

See that I'll play that.

Speaker 5: 1:03:07

I'll play that. Yeah, I'm really excited to check that out. But here's the thing If you like Marvel Rivals, you should play Overwatch Absolutely, because Overwatch is going to be better.

Speaker 4: 1:03:18

The. The gameplay is super tight in it. The problem is that the support in the community are just not there like they used to be, is what the vast majority of the problems.

Speaker 1: 1:03:25

Here's the thing if I play, I'm gonna be that. Oh great, I have to carry that guy because that guy's shit that's why I'm gonna be that guy.

Speaker 5: 1:03:33

That's why you play with friends.

Speaker 4: 1:03:35

That's why you play with friends yeah, friends aren't gonna shit on you for it, that's's true, I'm not going to say yo, you sucked that game.

Speaker 5: 1:03:48

I might, but I'm going to give you some pointers in the process.

Speaker 5: 1:03:50

But if someone, if it seems that you're dying a lot from a specific character, I would say, hey, you should consider changing characters. I play with my buddy, ken shepherd. He's a writer over at kaku and he mainly plays um, oh fuck. Oh, there's another thing I want to talk about. They need to like, they need to nerf sombra into the ground. Oh god, I hate that character. So I I used to love og, like build sombra. She was so interesting and like tack, like I like using characters that like they have, um, like their their floor for their skill and like like it's high. You know what I mean like, like like zarya, and like sombra, like original sombra, anyway, um and so, um, what, what was I? Oh, yeah, yeah, wait, wait, what was I talking about before you're?

Speaker 1: 1:04:41

talking about how you play with your friends and they don't, and you give them. So, like he plays, so he plays soldier and sombra, right, oh yeah, yeah, wait, wait, what was I talking about before you're?

Speaker 5: 1:04:44

talking about how you play with your friends and they don't and you give them. So, like he plays, so he plays soldier and sombra, right oh?

Speaker 5: 1:04:47

yeah and then there's sometimes where, like he or uh, there's sometimes that like he's dying a lot as soldier and he's like hey, like uh, I don't think a soldier may not be working for you this game. You know there are ways to say like hey, like try to mixing, like try to make a change or something, um, in a nice way and without being an asshole especially if you can see that, like the style of play that they're implementing that match is not fitting the style of play for that character.

Speaker 4: 1:05:12

You can kind of like redirect them like, hey, dude, instead of soldier, since you're getting up close and personal, go play as a reaper or something like that. Like you can give those small nudges in those directions as to, of like, what you're doing right now as far as your mental state goes for how you're playing, it's not working with who you're playing as yeah, and like normally, like for me I play, my two primary dps's are ash and pharah, right, so I I'll play ash right.

Speaker 5: 1:05:36

But then if I am like struggling but I'm like not 100, sure, I'll say like I'm thinking about switching to pharah after I use this ult and that gives my teammates that I'm playing with to say that's a good call or I think you're fine, or you know, like yep, like to get to get some input maybe try ducking covering a little bit more, or something like that yeah, yeah, if you vocalize those types of things, you usually get the nudge in the right direction, like, yeah, I'm okay done going off on Overwatch now.

Speaker 4: 1:06:02

Yeah, we're done with Overwatch, we're done with the Overwatch talk.

Speaker 5: 1:06:06

Here's the thing.

Speaker 4: 1:06:07

This talk was going to happen regardless, because when we were going to talk about what we were playing, I would have said I play Overwatch every day, and it would have spawned from there, because I always say I play Overwatch in the show and then it's outside of that, it's whatever else it is I'm fucking around with yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it's it.

Speaker 1: 1:06:21

You know this it's. I'm not a very competitive player, like that's part of it, but the one game that I was I did like and I and I think I've said this before, I know I've said this on the podcast was knockout city.

Speaker 5: 1:06:31

I loved that game oh my god, knockout city was so good I'm so sad that game died.

Speaker 1: 1:06:37

I'm so sad that game died that's the only game that I can sit down and like like I'm not a competitive player, but that one I would. I got competitive. I don't know what it was, but I like and I was, it was so good, it was so good, it was so good. Uh well, let's, let's. I think it's a good transition into what we're currently playing.

Speaker 5: 1:07:05

So with you outside of overwatch, what? What else are you playing? Uh, I've been tweeting about it a little bit recently, um, but I'm playing marvel's midnight suns oh is it good and? Let me tell you that game is phenomenal like that game.

Speaker 5: 1:07:15

That like there's saying that like we as players failed a game isn't a real thing, that's not a thing. But that's like how it feels when I play this game, where I'm just like, wow, like we fucked up, like because this game is so good and it was just poorly marketed. And you know, even for those that like may have known about it, like the whole card system, I know, turns off a lot of people and you know, I'm a jrpg sicko. I love turn-based combat in all its forms, um and uh. So, while this is a western rpg, I was like this is like hitting all the right notes. It is very bioware-esque where, like, specifically like mass effect, like very mass effect, uh, ask where you, you know.

Speaker 5: 1:08:09

So, basically, you are a character I think it's a brand new character, um, that they made for the game called the hunter um, and you basically like are the son or child you can be.

Speaker 5: 1:08:22

You know, you can be a woman too, um, of the antagonist, lilith, who is like this uh, demonic woman person, um, and she basically like returns, like the same time you do, basically, and you are working with a bunch of marvel heroes to uh stop her and uh, as the game progresses like you get more party members and uh, you have like a base of operations called uh the abbey which is like this just giant, like mansion, more or less, um, and yeah, it's just like it's a really cool diverse cast.

Speaker 5: 1:09:07

Like, yeah, you have like some obvious a-liners like iron man, captain america, doctor, strange, like um, but then you have like some really niche characters that um, surely like people that read the comics will uh, push back a little bit on, but like um, characters that like I really didn't never really engaged with, like um nico from the runaways, and I was like, and I was like, oh, that that's the, that's the hulu show, that marvel made, yeah, I heard about this and then like she basically like talks about her powers and like about her background with the runaways.

Speaker 5: 1:09:40

I'm like this sounds really like we. It's like basically like they're all these kids that basically find out that all their parents are super villains and it's just like, and then they all get powers. I'm like that fucking that rocks, like what. That sounds really cool. I I straight up have a tab for the runaway show like on my computer right now, like I'm gonna watch the show because for the longest time, because it got delisted yeah and so I thought that you could only watch it if you like bought it on youtube or something like you had to buy it and I was going to do it eventually.

Speaker 5: 1:10:09

and I just kind of like did a random search a couple of days ago and I saw it on the cw for free and I'm like sure, cw, I'm gonna watch this show now, yeah and uh, yeah. So that was really cool. And then, like Magic from the X-Men, like she creates like portals and she's like the queen of limbo, and so I'm like this is so cool. Like you know, there's some really, really great stuff here. And like I also weirdly enough, cause I again I'm not super into, I'm more of a DC Comics guy- I like Cam more and more with every sentence he speaks.

Speaker 4: 1:10:44

Keep one of the one of the dlc.

Speaker 5: 1:10:48

One of the dlc characters is morbius, right, and it's like, oh, morbius of the movie, you know, but like you know this actually was gave me the opportunity to get like a more true to comic book depiction of that character.

Speaker 5: 1:11:01

I'm like, oh, morbis is pretty cool, like I like he's an interesting character, um, and so like. And yeah, like blade is one of the main characters too, like there's like it's just so cool. And then, like, in between missions, you just like hang out with people at the abbey and do different activities and they and like it's really well written. And you, you know you make choices, uh, which are like either like light or dark and like depending when you get to a certain like milestone. You get like new passive abilities in combat and like, uh, the combat's really cool because each, each um, each character kind of has like a specific mechanic that revolves around them. Right, like iron man has a thing where, uh, because when you, you have, you know you have your hand of cards to do what you want, and for iron man, all of like all of his cards, say, if you use one of your redraws, where you normally would discard a card to draw a new card, it adds another ability on top of the, on top of like what you're doing, and so like that's really cool. Um, and then, like captain america is all about like um, taunting enemies while having uh a block, like for lack of better term, health, block, health. So like uh, damage that will be taken before his health is taken. And um and uh like storm. Like storm is the dlc character and her ability is like if you wait till fuse's card next turn, it'll become stronger in some way, like it can. Like each character has like some sort of shtick that, just like uh, makes them really fun to play. Funny enough, nico, in my opinion, is like the best character in the entire game because like her whole thing is literally like rng based, but like it's never actually bad rng, if that makes sense. Because like uh, she she'll have like an ability where it's like the card will do this amount of damage, this amount of damage, this amount of damage or this amount of damage, and it depends on and it's decided when it's drawn, so like it could be one of like four different like kind of levels of damage. Uh, and then there's like one ability where it's like, oh, she'll do this ability, it does this much damage, but if it kills them it'll bounce to much damage. But if it kills them it'll bounce to another person and if it kills them it'll bounce to like. So it's just, it'll just like wipe out like people, like crazy.

Speaker 5: 1:13:31

Um, there, it's a really really great game. It's a long game. I, I feel like I've probably put in 45 hours probably, and that's that's me trying to do everything along the way, because I'm just having that much fun and um, and I'm I really wanted to try and beat it before I left for sgf, but, um, I don't think I, I don't think I'm going to uh, the games are split into parts, um, and I've only I, I I'm nearing the end of part two, I believe, and I don't know how many parts there are, but I'm I'm pretty sure there's like, I'm pretty sure there's three. It feels like getting close to the end game now, um, and uh, yeah, it's like it's just really really great. I guess it goes like it goes on sale for cheap all the time it's continually on sale because,

Speaker 5: 1:14:25

because, it, just it, just. It flopped so hard like the switch version got canceled, which honestly like I wouldn't like that.

Speaker 5: 1:14:32

That's the one kind of gripe with the game is that, uh, visually it's kind of rough sometimes. It's kind of rough visually sometimes, um, but that's mainly for the like out of costume models, like like the first time I saw peter parker I was like, oh, this looks really bad, um, but like as spider-man he looks great, yeah, um, and so, yeah, it's a really really great game. Um, I highly recommend it. I like. I like it more than either of the insomniac spider-man games.

Speaker 5: 1:15:05

Wow wow but I'm, but I'm also like, not the biggest fan of those games either. Like, I think they're great games yeah, don't get me wrong, technically impressive, but, like I, I, I the stories in both those games were like I had. I had problems with them, and I'm not saying that the story in midnight suns is super fantastic, but, like the rpg the marvel rpg experience is really really great of just being able to like create your own character, um, like interact with these heroes and, like you know, it's like you're, you're, you are befriending them and learning more about them in a more intimate way. Um, and the combat is really, really cool. I really love the combat.

Speaker 5: 1:15:49

Um, so, yeah, goes on sale all the time and I highly recommend that, if you do decide to play it uh, any of y'all or anyone listening make sure you buy the season pass or whatever um along with it, because that's how you get the. You know, you get the dlc characters and, like, you can get those dlc characters incredibly early in the game and they have like full, full-on dialogue and things like that, as if they were meant to be in the game originally, if that makes sense. Wow, like, like, yeah, like, if you, if, if someone saw me play the game and then I said like, oh, these are dlc characters. They would be like, oh shit, really like it's. It's like that. It's really, really great I have that game.

Speaker 1: 1:16:31

I need to play it. I bought it on sale and I just never played it yet.

Speaker 3: 1:16:34

But I it's really good slack and roger I know you would never see me do something like no never, never uh, was that backlog, mike speaking.

Speaker 1: 1:16:44

Yeah, I think so. You know, it's interesting. I wondered why that game didn't do so well, and I think my, my thought is is maybe because of the Marvel Avengers game that just came out right before that and a lot of people were soured about that game. And then, yeah, I think marketing just didn't, it didn't. I, people were soured about that game and then, yeah, I think marketing just didn't, it didn't. I mean, I knew about this game, I was excited about this game, but it seemed like a lot of people weren't really familiar with this game and maybe because they did cancel the switch version and it just seemed like it seemed maybe phil, maybe, uh, I yeah it's.

Speaker 5: 1:17:21

It's very bizarre because like through my pov was like I, that game was marketed like a lot but like never showed the right stuff.

Speaker 4: 1:17:32

Yeah but I, what I feel is too, as well as like the style of game that it is isn't necessarily going to appeal to most of the comic book fans that are out there that are just looking for your spider-man, your batman, your action hack and slash beat-em-up type of a game yeah, and I did not see actual gameplay of that game until like, uh, the game came out yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1: 1:17:52

That's a good point.

Speaker 5: 1:17:53

I don't think I've seen any game and once I saw the gameplay, I was like oh, this looks awesome like this like, how did I not know this? I like, I like, I feel like I saw this game everywhere, but I never saw the gameplay, and so, yeah, I think it part of it is that, like it just it's not that it wasn't marketed, it just wasn't marketed well yeah and then, um, and then, uh, yeah, the style of gameplay like the, the card combat, like you know it, that's a very hit or miss thing.

Speaker 5: 1:18:21

But as someone who like found and granted, it's been a long time, so I could feel differently now. But like, for someone that found x-com to be rather complicated, um, when it, uh, when I first tried it, I think that this game is very easy to like get onboarded, like, yes, there are a lot of different terms, but like they're simple terms that you're gonna remember what it does. Like it's like, oh, quick, and quick means if you kill a person with this card, it doesn't use up the amount of card usages for for the turn. Or you know, taunt, oh, this taunts. Or chain, oh, you click how many, the number is next to it and it's a chain attack. Like they're very simple, like, I think, accessible terms for that. Like, if you're not super into card combat or card gameplay, you should still give it a shot in my opinion, I forgot that that was the same developer that made x, x, x com that's, I forgot about that yeah, uh, anything else came that you're playing besides overwatch um, not really at the moment.

Speaker 5: 1:19:29

I think like I wanted to finish midnight suns, again before sgf, and then I was going to start up. Um, I was actually going to finally start up final fantasy 14, I actually. So I played a good chunk of it. I played the base game and I started the first expansion. And I have a bunch of close friends that are like final fantasy 14 killed, like to like they are they, they can't wait for dawn trail, they can't wait to hop in, things like that. Um, and I told them like if I'm being honest with y'all, I don't remember jack shit about this game. I don't know, I don't.

Speaker 5: 1:20:05

I don't know anything about this. The world I know, like one of the characters names and that's it yeah and like and, and I said like I think I'm just gonna start fresh, like, yes, I probably put in like 60 to 80 hours beating it the first time, but like, if it's the cause, it's it's the story right, it's the story that are that people really love about final fantasy 14. And so I'm like I, you know, I want, I want to, I want to experience the story Right. Yeah.

Speaker 5: 1:20:34

And so I'm hoping that I'm going to start that like shortly after I get back from SGF, and then, as my like single player game, I'm going to start Dragon Quest four. Okay.

Speaker 5: 1:20:49

Cause I it's been a little bit since Dragon Quest three I beat it like a few months ago and again, those games, those remakes for those games, were really good. I enjoyed all three of them. And I I've kind of been Dragon Quest filled where I'm like games, those remakes for those games were really good. I enjoyed all three of them. Um, and I I've kind of been dragon quest filled where I'm like that's like kind of the main series that I want to play through right now yeah um and uh outside of that.

Speaker 5: 1:21:12

Yeah, like I mean, I recently played the first uh phoenix right game and I'm mad I waited that long yeah phoenix.

Speaker 5: 1:21:18

Right, fucking rules. Um, ace attorney. Uh, I started and I started this the thing. Uh, I started the second one and I kind of bowed out out of it because the first one, just while I really liked the game for like the vast majority, I think the last case in the first game was like way longer than it needed to be and it kind of burnt me out a bit.

Speaker 5: 1:21:37

And uh, I I think, like I think it's one thing as gamers that like we really don't want to admit to ourselves when we feel burnt out on a game. And I was just like I think I need to just like take a break from this, yeah, and return to it later, because I was like two or three cases in on the second game and I just like wasn't really vibing with it the way I did with the first one. Granted it's because I think, like the first one, granted it's because I think the first one was better from go. But I also just think that when you do so many cases back to back to back, your brain's just a little exhausted from that kind of gameplay cycle. Yeah, but that is my secondary. I want the year to end and, having played all of those games, nice, that's a tall task, but I would like to play that entire series by the end of the year.

Speaker 1: 1:22:28

Nice, I have a game for you once you get through those games. If you like the Phoenix Wright type games, then you should try Death Trick, double Blind. It's the same kind of principle You're trying to solve a crime. It's really good. I liked it a lot so okay yeah, who developed that?

Speaker 1: 1:22:50

uh, I think misty mountains, I think they were called. I think that's who. It's a. It's a. It's a two person. Uh, two people made the game. They're from China and it takes place in the 1950s in America in a circus, and a murder happens in the circus. It's really good. It's really good and there's a twist in it. It's very good.

Speaker 5: 1:23:17

Okay, yeah, 9 out of 10 on Steam Came out last year. Okay, you can go to oh, oh, it's on Switch too it is on Switch.

Speaker 1: 1:23:27

you can go to gamerheadspodcastcom to read our review of that game nice plug was there a physical release of this game there wasn't.

Speaker 5: 1:23:35

I wish.

Speaker 1: 1:23:36

you can also hear my interview with them too, if you'd like, on gamerheadspodcastcom cool.

Speaker 4: 1:23:42

Why do you laugh as you plug the show?

Speaker 1: 1:23:44

I don't know. It just seems cheesy when I plug my own show, so um oh, there's a demo too, okay, yeah, yeah yeah, it's cool. It's a cool game. The artwork is very good too. Uh, mike, what have you been playing?

Speaker 3: 1:24:00

Well, let me remember. So, Cam, just like you with Fortnite, I only play it if the season intrigues me, and this season intrigues me because of one person, and that person is Magneto. So I definitely.

Speaker 4: 1:24:16

Yes. Yes.

Speaker 3: 1:24:18

Yes, so I definitely want to unlock him. The good thing is, with Magneto, he's one of the side quest skins so you don't have to reach like level 100 to get him. Yes, like Snake and Geralt, and yeah, so it's also got the Fallout armor skin. Yes, the. Brotherhood of Steel. I was thinking Fall Guys for a second.

Speaker 4: 1:24:42

I just went absolutely braindead and I was like there's thinking Fall Guys for a second. I just went absolutely braindead. I was thinking. Magneto.

Speaker 1: 1:24:48

I was thinking Fall Guy, the movie slash TV show.

Speaker 3: 1:24:52

I just saw that movie today, you did.

Speaker 1: 1:24:56

I almost sang the wrong song, but it's not the song speaking of Magneto.

Speaker 5: 1:25:02

Did y'all watch X-Men?

Speaker 2: 1:25:03

97 yes, oh, you need to watch it, phil oh, y'all need to watch it.

Speaker 4: 1:25:10

The hype behind that show is real it's not, it's no bullshit that's what my comic shop guy tells me too, and he knows that I'm not an X-Men fan. He's like Phil. I'm telling you you're gonna fucking love it. It is so good.

Speaker 1: 1:25:20

They actually did such a great job of pulling uh stories from the comic book and putting it into this show. It was so, so good. I will say the one thing is, my wife is a huge x-men fan and at the end of this, at the end of the season, there's a character that they introduce that we both really don't like at all. I mean, they reintroduce this character. I'm not going to say who it is, but we're both like no, not that person. Again, is it gold balls, not gold balls?

Speaker 3: 1:25:51

Is it paste, pot Pete.

Speaker 1: 1:25:53

No, it's not. It's not. I would say it, but it would ruin it for both of you, so I don't want to say it, so you'll just have to watch it, I guess. So you'll just have to watch it, I guess, cam, it's when you've seen the whole season, right, yeah, yeah, so when they go back in time, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Anyway, anything else Mike.

Speaker 3: 1:26:17

Let's see, well, since we since we mentioned it played some more fall guys, I bought a the God or Roboto skin, since that pop, oh cool, oh, that's cool. Well, since we mentioned it, I played some more Fall Guys. I bought the. Gato Roboto skin, since that popped up oh cool. Oh, that's cool. So I like that. So I got into Multiverses because I got the Battle Pass for free. Since I played the beta. You get the first season for free if you test it out, the game when it was in beta testing.

Speaker 3: 1:26:42

I still don't know how I feel about it yet. Um, it's obvious that the developers put a lot of effort into it and the stuff that they have in there are like they did their research. There's a lot of great stuff. The animations look good, the characters look good. I mean it's got jason vorhees in it and you can unlock the jason x skin as part of the battle pass.

Speaker 3: 1:27:04

Yes, um and uh it's, but it's still. It feels and I'm gonna say this as a negative it feels very free to play yep and it is all right that's what I'm saying, but like, yeah, when the the negative term, the negative connotations behind free-to-play games. This is kind of how it feels when I play it so like it's it's it's very stuttery, uh, it's very loose. It's like there's characters talking and I can't even hear what they're saying really Really, because the music like it's all over the place.

Speaker 1: 1:27:45

It's not level.

Speaker 3: 1:27:46

It's not like yeah, it's, and the fighting is OK, but sometimes it stutters, but it's, it's, it's a lot. You know it plays like Smash Brothers, but it's a lot slower. Actually, it plays more like Smash 64 in terms of speed. Lot slower. Actually, it plays more like smash 64 in terms of speed. Um, I'm still, I'm still playing it. Great writing. You know they, like I said, they're putting a lot of work into this, but a lot of.

Speaker 3: 1:28:14

I wish they would put more work into, like the netcode or the core fighting mechanic um a lot of times I'm just like button mashing and pressing things and like I'll press, I'll press an attack twice and then it'll do the attack and then do the do the attack again. You know, just because I'm mashing, like yeah, yeah so that could be a user error thing, but again, it's not a bad game. Um, but I'm still. I still don't know if I'm going to keep playing it. So, other than that, there is a review up on GamerHeadsPodcastcom. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:28:52

Yes, and that review is a review I wrote for a game called Goliath Depot. Yeah. And man, do I love this game? This is one of those things, the reason why I'm glad I do this show, because full disclosure roger's like hey, mike, here's a code, it's for a game to review. Because he knew better that if he gave me the name of the game I'd be like I'd never heard of this game before I know, I just gave you the code.

Speaker 1: 1:29:19

I didn't say anything.

Speaker 3: 1:29:20

he's like review this game and I'm like, all right. So I got like goliath Depot and then I looked at, I looked it up and I looked at the art behind it and I'm like, oh, this character. This almost looks like a, like a Mario. Someone took Mario assets and got rid of the mustache, like I don't know. I'm like Roger, I'm going to be angry with this review, just so you know.

Speaker 3: 1:29:41

And then I got to playing it and I could not put it down. It's, oh man, and it's a game, it's an arcade game, so basically what it is. There's four worlds. Each world has 10 levels. Each level is a static screen, so just one screen. There's open doors, there's enemies, it's different levels. All you have to do is close all the doors. Just one screen. There's open doors, there's enemies, it's different levels up, you know, you gotta, all you have to do is close all the doors and then get to the exit before time runs out. Every time you close the door, it shoots out like sound waves, it left or right, and it attacks an enemy. If it hits an enemy, uh, the enemy is stunned. You can kick the enemy, uh, and then, when you get to the 10th level, you'll fight a boss.

Speaker 3: 1:30:22

Simple concept, very simple concept it's. It's very arcade Like, and I mean that literally. Like you, if I saw this game in an arcade, I would not know that. This was like a home console or you know, game, um, but then there's, they add to it. So there's different things uh, to to, to keep the keep it replayable, um, you know. So there's different things to keep it replayable.

Speaker 3: 1:30:44

There's different power-ups that you can purchase. There's coins you can pick up throughout the levels. Use those coins to purchase power-ups. These power-ups you get to keep forever, but you can only choose one power-up per run. So things like double jump, a dash attack, drop down a level, things like that, and depending on what you want to accomplish because there's different metals in each world there's a speed run metal, there's a pacifist metal, there's a um, don't take any damage which there's. There's no way in hell I'm going to be able to get that, uh. But if you get all the metals in in each world, you unlock hidden characters Again, something I'll never be able to do, but I'm having a lot of fun with it. I can see speed runners really having a lot of fun with this. The game was a lot of fun. And then my son picked up the controller and we were doing playing co-op and that just opened up a whole new world of fun.

Speaker 3: 1:31:40

Like he was able to jump in and again, the controls are so simple, it's jump and close the door. Those are the two buttons I even said in my review. Actually, like I said, I went to the convention and I was going to sell my arcade stick, but then I'm like this game really feels like an arcade game. Let me bust out the arcade stick. So I plugged it in the switch and I was playing on the arcade.

Speaker 1: 1:32:05

I'm not selling this stick, I kept it I left it at home yeah so and I said thank you for, for, yeah, for that, and I'm keeping that stick.

Speaker 3: 1:32:14

Yeah, that's cool yeah, so that's goliath depot. Um, that's on the switch and I think it's also on. It's also on pc, yeah, and it's only like $7, which is like, that's a steal for that. So if you like those fast-paced arcade-style games Retro, great soundtrack, everything is I mean, I loved it. I gave it an A and if you're curious about some more details on it, you can go to GamerHeadsPodcastcom and read that review and that's all I got, and read that review.

Speaker 1: 1:32:42

That's right, and that's all I got Nice.

Speaker 4: 1:32:45

Phil, what about you? Obviously, the show in Overwatch, but outside of that, I have put a little bit of time into Killer Clowns from Outer Space, which I thought was already out, but apparently it's not, and I pre-ordered it as we alluded to earlier. It is a well, not really alluded to, but it's a three versus seven. You either play as one of the three clowns or the seven humans that are trying to escape the clowns. 15 minute time limit to get the hell out of the area. It's definitely far superior superiorly, yeah, sure, whether let's make that word up to Friday the 13th, where it's not as janky, not as putzy, not as not as broken as friday the 13th was. I know they did ghostbusters since then, but friday the 13th is one that sticks in my mind.

Speaker 4: 1:33:30

Um, the maps are really well done. The gameplay is pretty well executed. I've only hit a couple of minor glitches, and mainly it's with things like throwing cocoons. As you're trying to speed up going to like the cocoon harvester, you can either hang people with the cocoons to spawn the demons. That will help you out if you're a clown.

Speaker 4: 1:33:48

As far as human wise goes, as always, they don't really give you. They kind of give you a roadmap as to how to escape, but not really. They tell you what you need but not where the parts are. So then you got to go scaging. Weapons are kind of sparse to be found and it almost makes the clowns feel overpowered, which I know they're supposed to. But again, with more time you'll understand where the weapons and the placements and things like that in all the maps are, which will smooth everything out.

Speaker 4: 1:34:17

I think I only hit level 7 as far as my player goes, so I'm not super far into it, but I've probably played 6-7 matches worth of it and it's one of those games where, if you've got a crew that you're playing with that are actually communicating, it's going to be a far superior experience to just jumping in with a bunch of randoms, as most of those style of games are. Mike gripes about the game are super minimalistic, except for the fact that I suck at it. But again, that's just due to the fact of being new. Yes, mike.

Speaker 3: 1:34:44

Oh, I'll wait till you're done before I ask my question.

Speaker 4: 1:34:47

Well, now you cut me off, so now I'm done.

Speaker 3: 1:34:49

I know. Okay good, then my work here is done. How is the leveling up system Is it? Is it chainsaw or or like? What kind of stuff do you unlock by leveling up? Like, is there?

Speaker 1: 1:35:02

now you're leveling up your. What are you leveling up? You're like clowns or the humans, or both yes, yeah, or just your profile you're unlocking, you're leveling up your profile, which will unlock things for both.

Speaker 4: 1:35:11

So, for example, if you're playing as a clown, you unlock a new perk or a new character. You can play, as I'll say, level six, for example, and then at level eight, when your overall profile hits level eight, you'll unlock, say like, a new human or a new perk or that type of a thing. Uh, you get xp for essentially surviving, scavenging things, hanging up the cotton candy, cocoons, like you get a lot of xp in the game, so it's pretty generous with it, at least as far as the early levels go cool is this a ratchet game?

Speaker 4: 1:35:45

it's not going to scare you, it's not. I mean it's intense, but not intense for the reasons why you might think it would be intense. Okay, like there's no jump scares, anything like that, because it's all pvp. So like there's nothing that's set up to like make you startled yeah but each of the humans, uh, that you unlock do have different characteristics.

Speaker 4: 1:36:02

Each of the clowns that you unlock do have different characteristics. The clowns that you unlock do have different characteristics as far as what their powers are. For example, the first clown that you unlock after your initial clown he's got the balloon animal dog that he can use to sniff out where the humans are hiding. You can go hunt them down with the balloon animal dog. Okay, yeah, so they all have different effects on things. It's pretty well done and there's four or five different means of escape as far as humans go. In the last 30 seconds of a match the brothers that directed the film crash in and open up just like a free-for-all escape spot for the humans. So if you can make your way to where they crash through, you can get out really quick. It's super campy, super cheesy. The animation's pretty spot on. Graphics are pretty spot on, especially when I first booted up the main menu screen and it just shows the clown faces are like oh man, those look awesome and I got really excited and I just headed in and started just playing around with it. Cool.

Speaker 4: 1:37:02

Yeah, it's worth playing if you like that style of game. There's a word for it, but I don't know what it is a dead by daylight, yeah, kind of. I mean, they're all kind of that same vein, but it's like an asymmetrical horror game or whatever is what they call it. I don't know. I I don't keep up with all the terms that the kids use yeah cool, uh, for myself, uh, the games I've been playing.

Speaker 1: 1:37:25

So I got into the 33 immortals beta oh, I'm so jealous I was about to say is that a good or?

Speaker 5: 1:37:33

bad, uh, uh, no, I, I will play anything that thunder lotus makes moving forward. Uh, because, like I talked about it earlier, my dad, like when my dad passed away, uh like right after that happened, I played spirit fair yeah and that game uh very much uh helped me grieve, yeah, um, and I think that anyone should play that game after a tough like death in your life happens, because that like game revolves uh highly around that and uh, does it incredibly, incredibly well?

Speaker 5: 1:38:07

um, and so, yeah, I just um, I was very excited when they like announced 33 immortals last year and I saw that the beta was floating around and I was like, dang, I really want to play that and check that out. I'm curious, like, I'm really curious like how does the whole, how does it feel like the whole 33 player co-op thing?

Speaker 1: 1:38:29

yeah, it's. It's interesting because you'll go into a world and there'll be different gates, so, like you're it's. So for those of the not familiar, it's, it's isometric, it's a little bit like hades a little and hades-esque, I would say. So you enter this world with 33 people. There's different gates that open up and only six people can go into those gates at a time. So, and then each one of those gates had to be closed before, like, the boss battle happens in that, in that level before you can ascend to the next level. And so a lot of times I wasn't at the gates. To get into one of the gates that opens up, um, I don't think, I don't exactly what the name. I think they're called torture chambers or something like that. So you're in hell, basically, and um, so when? But if you get into those, then they, if you beat those, those torture chamber or those gates areas, you get, uh, there's a chest that opens up and then you get special abilities with that. So, um, and it's, it's a roguelike. So obviously some of those abilities only stay with you for that run. Yeah, I know, mike, not your favorite, but it's really, it's well done, um, and then, yeah, so then once, once you get all those gates closed, then then there's an area that opens up and you all have to go, like the whole world starts enclosing on this one area and you all have to go there and, uh, fight us if you don't. It's similar to like fortnight, where they try to get everybody in together and if you're in that area, you start burning, like similar to like the poison mist or whatever. Um, and then when you defeat that, you extend and the boss that they had was, I think, satan, I think it was, or some kind of dynamic demonic type creature. I never beat the boss. It was really hard. Like we got it down to maybe half life, the group that I was with, and then it just did this crash and like killed us all and with its hand and we all died and I was like, okay, well, that was, that was fun. It is really cool, though they did it really well down, so I'm excited for the full release of it. Um, and there's cosmetics so you can get for your character. There's a cat that can follow you around, so you can unlock a cat that follows you around and you can get different like color skinned for your cats. It's, it's, it's a neat game. And then there's blessings that then allows your character to have, uh different abilities in the next run. So, like those are the things that are the constants, those those blessings, and then there's three different weapons you can use either a bow and arrow, uh these blades, or like, like these little knife blades, and I think the last one is like a sword. I always use the bow and arrow because I'm just more of a ranged type player anyway, and that worked really well. So, yeah, it was cool. It closed I think today was the last day, but I got to play quite a bit of it this past week and I had a good time with it. So that one and then the.

Speaker 1: 1:41:27

You can uh read my preview of this next game on our site, and that is hive jump 2 survivors. Uh, so that just came out in early access, um, so that is a mike knows the game hive jump um. So it is the sequel to it, or they call it hive jump 2. I would say it's like in the same world as hive jump um. They call it hive jump 2, though is weird because it's such a different game. This, this game, is a vampire survivors-esque type game, whereas the first one is a platformer, slash strategy type, uh base builder type game, um, and so this one's more. Uh, the vampire survivors in this game, uh, it, it plays really well and you are a jumper and you have the jet pack. So that's the same as is the first game, that's. The one major difference is not only do you shoot different guns and have even like attachments helping you, but then you have this jet pack that you can jump over the enemies and go to different areas. So, uh, it's really cool, it's really fun, uh, and it's really cheap.

Speaker 3: 1:42:33

I think it's like eight bucks, yes, right if I wanted to read this preview, where would I be able to do that?

Speaker 1: 1:42:38

you can go to gamer heads podcastcom to read that preview well, I'm sorry, what was the name of that site?

Speaker 1: 1:42:43

gamerheadspodcastcom oh, okay, yeah, yeah, thanks, I appreciate it uh, the next game I'll talk about is also going to be on gamer heads podcast. It's not right now. I'm still I'm still working on my review, uh, but I also am reviewing the game hypercharged unboxed. Uh, that is a uh, it's a defense tower type game where you are playing as a toy and you're being attacked by all these other toys. Obviously, they don't have the rights to like the actual toys, right so? But they do a pretty good job of making it look like the actual toys are fighting against it's. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 5: 1:43:25

So, yeah, you take close enough where you, where they don't get sued, yeah, yeah exactly, just just because there's there was a and it's fun stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:43:32

So, like, in one of the levels there's it's the kids bedroom and on the wall there's a, there's a poster. It says the indies well, it's supposed to be like indiana jones, right, and it certainly looks like an indiana jones poster. And then the next one is a poster of a dinosaur that says big fucking dinosaur. That's what the movie poster is, but the, you know, fucking is like like start out, uh, and there's like a level where it's in the bathroom and, uh, you like it's fun. So you have. You have three different areas that you're trying to. Well, I shouldn't say always three. Most times it's three different that you're trying to well, I shouldn't say always three. Most times it's three different areas. You're trying to defend against a swarm of enemies coming in and it's you and three other players, and if you don't play online with the other people, you can play solo and the AI is really smart. It feels like you're actually playing with people. I had to actually check a few times Am I playing with people? Because the AI was pretty smart. But then in between each round of waves, you get to put up your defense towers around, uh around these things that you're trying to protect, uh, and they're the hyper charge, the hyper charge cores, and so you can like, put up, like and they're all toys but you can put up like things like uh, like, uh, castle walls and or legos and stuff like that. Um, but it's, it's a cool game and, uh, I'm really enjoying it and it's fun. It's more fun when you play online with other people, obviously, um, but it's enjoyable playing at single player as well, uh, and it's just a funny. It's a funny game it reminds me of.

Speaker 1: 1:45:04

I don't know if you guys ever did this, but when I was a kid, I would take all my toys and have these huge battles and it was just like all these toys that were just mix and match, the gi joe and, and you know, he man and battle beasts and battle beasts and, and you know, army men, right, yeah, all all those things combined together and they would all fight against each other. I had knight rider in there once. I had, uh, michael knight and kit come in. They. They finished everybody off because they were like way bigger than anybody, so they just kind of drove in and knocked everybody over.

Speaker 5: 1:45:33

But you know, like, uh, I might uh, like it might be like an h, an h, difference thing yeah like I, never really. I, I, I, I don't know. I don't know what other reason it would be, or maybe I'm, maybe I'm just a weirdo, but I didn't really play with toys growing up like I, like I, I think, like the closest I played with was like beyblades, like I did like I did, cool yeah yeah, like I did beyblades and then like I collected, like yugioh cards and pokemon cards okay but I never really like played with like actual figures and stuff like that

Speaker 5: 1:46:07

yeah, yeah, like I was like, um, I mainly what I really just like watch tv. Like I, I watched tv. I started watching tv probably I don't want to say probably like too young of an age, but like, um, I remember watching. Like, I still remember in my mind like the day that spongebob premiered in 1999 and I was sitting on my couch. I was like, and you know, I, I'm a, I'm a spongebob encyclopedia, uh, at least from like, when it, you know, during its peak era of sorts, um, so, yeah, I just like, I just thought about I was like I didn't really play with toys growing yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1: 1:46:48

I don't think. I don't think like outside of, like star wars toys, like toys nowadays like we don't, like there's not as many cool toys as when we were growing up, like we had so many different types of toys. We had muscle men, which were amazing. I still have my muscle men. We had gi joe. We had he-man. You had battle beast.

Speaker 5: 1:47:05

We had uh instead of we don't have any of that.

Speaker 3: 1:47:08

Yeah, I know exactly I know that's the thing with transformers.

Speaker 4: 1:47:11

Like we had such cool toys I will argue and say that the toys are cooler, but the marketing is way different, where, like you, didn't have entire saturday mornings that were marketed towards, towards, like the toy lines, because that's all saturday morning cartoons were. We're just advertisements for toys well, that's what's all.

Speaker 1: 1:47:26

He-man toys were yeah like they were totally like they convinced the, the, they convinced the makers that oh, yeah, well, we're gonna come up with this toy line, if you come up with this cartoon, yep and and, and. Do you remember they? They had these little booklets that were stories of the of the characters. Yeah, it turns out. Then they just like made all that stuff up on the fly, like just basically sell. Like oh crap, we gotta like make sure the show survives, um, but you're right, like think about all the commercials when we were kids, like all the toys like um, um can nothing stop the animal, the animal, the animal. Remember like the animal would like the claws come out?

Speaker 4: 1:48:05

oh my gosh, yeah, it was cool, like uh yeah, and instead of like marketing changed is all that it really is like yeah, more than anything else?

Speaker 5: 1:48:14

yeah, it's actually interesting, like the more you talk about it, because, like, a lot of the kids commercials I got when I was a kid weren't for toys, they were for other like kids stuff like nerf guns and shit like that. Yeah, nerf guns, uh, zoo books, yep um, some like just a bunch of things that weren't like, that weren't toys. And so I'm just like, yeah, I just think that like I didn't really like I knew what transformers were like, I knew like a bunch of those things, um, but I just didn't really like play with them myself.

Speaker 1: 1:48:46

So see, it's interesting because I think that like now, because I'm like watching my kids grow up right and like my son wants to buy transformers and I think it's this nostalgia thing that they're trying to tie into the parents that play to transformers and they're like oh, look at, you can buy. And like I'm more excited about the transformers sometimes than my son is. I'm like we got to get to get sound wave. Like why don't we get sound? We got to get shockwave or sound wave. No, sound wave, right sound wave.

Speaker 3: 1:49:12

Yeah, I think it's sound wave and then, uh, to be fair you can't have a transformers collection without sound wave. Well, you can't, I know I mean that's kind of like yeah, I know jealous, I wanted the.

Speaker 1: 1:49:25

You know, he had a little tape deck and who was the good guy? There was the good guy version. He was the red, he was a different boombox but he had a lion inside of him. You had a, I don't remember his name though, but I wanted both of those and then the Optimus Prime, yeah, and then you had the yeah, anyway. But anyway, it's funny because you mentioned Beyblades. My kids have Beyblades. When I grew up I don't know if Mike and Phil, you remember this toy, but there was spinjas. So it's the same thing, same kind of concept you had these little ninjas and you spun them and you put them in this arena and you click and they spin and slam into each other, oh them. And you put them in this arena and you click and they spin and slam into each other, oh man. And so when my kids got into beyblades, I'm like I totally got into it.

Speaker 5: 1:50:12

I'm like I'm buying my own beyblade and I challenge them all the time. It's very funny. Yeah, beyblade's not the same anymore, but that's also because, like, I got exposed to beyblade through the show okay and like they have, like in the 80s and 90s. You know they had they had, they had this core cast and then, like, after the first two shows, they like had like this new protect and I'm like, oh, I don't care, I don't care about this anymore funny.

Speaker 1: 1:50:32

That's so funny. Um, because my, my son was really into beyblades the show too and I. I never got into it, but I just wanted to play just for the you know the battling system. That was fun anyway, yeah, those are the games I'm playing. So one thing I want to say before we close out the show is how thankful I am to Magic Mine.

Speaker 1: 1:50:54

Last week was another week full of lots of meetings and long days, and if it wasn't for Magic Mind, I probably would just get home and crash and probably not pay attention to those meetings. But thank goodness for Magic Mind, because it allows me to focus, stay focused and continue to do things that I enjoy doing after work, which is creating content for you all and doing the things I love. So if you want to check out Magic Mind yourself, you can actually go to the show notes. There's a link there. Click on the show notes and click on the link in the show notes and you can also get Magic Mind through that link at a discounted price. So check it out. That's Magic Mind. Yeah, I think that's all I have for this week. Before we head out, I want to go around and tell people how they can get a hold of us Cam. How can people follow you on social media?

Speaker 5: 1:52:07

uh, yeah, you can uh follow me, uh at cam final mix on twitter, um, and yeah, that's really where I post all of my uh updates and things like that. And then I also want to uh do one thing. So, no, that roger's not going to do it. I want to shout out, roger, because I was in some financial trouble earlier this year and this man was kind enough to donate some money to help me, and I just wanted to say it on the podcast. Uh, you know, he did not ask me to do this. I'm doing this out of my own volition. Uh, thank you so much, roger. Uh, that helped a lot and um, I, you know I will appreciate it and again, if you ever need help with anything, um, I will do my best to to help you.

Speaker 1: 1:52:58

So, oh well, that's very nice. I mean, I'm glad I can help. So yeah, I don't take compliments. Well, so I don't know what to say. I don't either.

Speaker 5: 1:53:10

I don't either, but I'm just like, I just wanted to shout you out really quick.

Speaker 1: 1:53:16

I appreciate that. Thank you, Mike. How can people find you on social media?

Speaker 3: 1:53:23

You could just find me at PezGuyMike. Yeah, I don't have anything heartfelt, I can't follow people.

Speaker 4: 1:53:37

I don't have a heart, but you can find follow me at be now 23 on on the Twitters and listeners.

Speaker 1: 1:53:43

You can follow us on Twitter. You can follow us at Gamer has. You can follow us on Twitter. You can follow us at GamerHeadsPod. You can follow me on Twitter at Nintendraj. You can go to our website, mike, right at GamerHeadsPodcastcom.

Speaker 3: 1:53:53

You sure can.

Speaker 1: 1:53:54

Yeah, you can also go check out our YouTube channel, where we have every episode of the podcast loaded up there. So I would suggest not going to some of the early episodes because they're not great uh, neither of these well, that's. That's a good point. That's a good point, um, but you can go listen to all those episodes out there. Cam, thank you so much for joining us this week. It was really fun having you on the show. I hope you had a good time yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5: 1:54:19

I hope I didn't ramble uh too much because I, I, I tend to do do that and so I just wanted to throw that out there. But yeah, always glad to come back if you ever want me on. And yeah, this was fun awesome.

Speaker 1: 1:54:35

Well, thank you, mike.

Speaker 4: 1:54:37

Thank you so much for joining us this week thanks for having me and Phil, thank you so much for joining us this week always a pleasure and nice to meet you cam, nice to meet you both and listeners.

Speaker 1: 1:54:51

Uh, thank you so much for taking time out of your schedule to give us a listen. If you want to leave us a review, we want to hear what you have to say about the show. Uh, so leave us a review and we'll read your reviews on air. The other thing I'll just uh also plug here you may notice in the show notes there's a little link says send us a text. You can actually send us text messages now too, and we'll read those on the air too. Yeah, I know it's not crazy, but it is. That is the truth. That's the true statement. Um, I like it. With that, everyone, stay safe and game on, and we'll talk to you next week. Bye, so long take care.